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ERF info *baby safety*

Last post 11-20-2008 9:10 AM by bragababyone. 24 replies.
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  • 11-19-2008 6:49 AM

    ERF info *baby safety*

    So as I've written in other posts, I"m totally carseat OCD.  I drive my husband nuts when we're driving and I see carseats installed wrong or not used properly, it just irks me.  I wanted to share some awesome info on ERF, or extended rear facing.  This means rear facing beyond the one year/20 lbs rule for safety reasons.  It's one of the reasons Britax is so popular, they can rearface much longer.  There are many reasons for this and pediatricians are now recommending that we rear face to the max the seat allows, NOT turn early.  Babies necks are not stable enough to support their heads in a crash usually before 3 years old.  I'll post some links so you can see why, it's explained so much better than me.  Youtube has some videos pertaining as well showing what happens to a baby who is forward facing to early (crash tests, not real pics, that I know of at least). If anyone else has some links please add them too.  Just more info I want to share because I think it's so important, but so many people don't know it!  http://www.car-seat.org/ has car seat techs that explain the whole concept VERY well and have awesome research to back it up also.

    http://www.car-seat.org/showthread.php?t=59783

    http://babyproducts.about.com/od/car...ear_facing.htm


    http://www.freewebs.com/sacredjourneys/newbornpreschool.htm

    http://www.carseatsite.com/rf.htm

    http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/stayrearfacing.aspx

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K62Ea8Fs4ng  If you follow this link, click on any of the related videos on the right side to see a TON more.

    SafetyBeltSafe USA: Rear-facing Child

    Restraints provide the best protection from

    injury for any child that can fit in one.

    Manufacturers are not required to list age

    limits for child occupants, only weight and

    height. The wording required by FMVSS 213

    on convertibles can imply that children must

    be turned to face forward at a certain

    weight, regardless of other developmental

    factors, but this weight is only a minimum

    for which the CR has been certified forward

    facing, not a mandate. An infant-only

    restraint is usually outgrown before the

    child reaches age one, so a convertible

    restraint is needed to continue to keep the

    child rear-facing for best protection. Almost

    all convertibles currently sold in the U.S. are

    certified to be used rear facing for children

    up to 30 or 35 lbs.

    http://www.carseat.org/Technical/tech_update.htm#

    rearfacCR

    Dr. Michael Sachs: One myth which persists

    among caregivers and health care providers is

    that a child should be turned forward-facing

    once he or she reaches 20 lbs, regardless of

    age. The correct advice is that a child should

    remain rear-facing for as long as possible, but

    at least until the child is both 1 year old and 20

    lbs... While most convertible seats in use have a

    maximum rear-facing limit of 20 to 22 pounds,

    several seats certified for rear-facing use until

    a child is 30 or 35 pounds have recently come

    available... Such seats provide an opportunity

    for children to continue riding rear-facing even

    beyond their first birthday, increasing their

    protection until they are 30 to 35 lbs.

    http://www.carseat.org/Resources/Sachs_CSS.pdf

    American Baby Magazine : Misconception:

    Once my baby turns age 1 and weighs 20

    pounds, I should turn the seat around so she's

    facing forward.

    The Truth: A child should stay rear-facing for

    as long as possible, says Flaura Koplin Winston,

    MD, PhD, principal investigator of Partners for

    Child Passenger Safety, a research

    collaboration between The Children's Hospital

    of Philadelphia and State Farm Insurance

    Company. If the infant is facing forward in a

    frontal crash--which is the most common and

    most severe type--the body is held back by the

    car seat's straps, but the head is not, explains

    Kathleen Weber, director of the Child

    Passenger Protection Research Program at the

    University of Michigan Medical School. While

    older children and adults wearing safety belts

    may end up with temporary neck injuries, a

    baby's immature neck bones and pliable

    ligaments can allow the spine to separate and

    the spinal cord to rip, says Weber.

    Solution: Once your child graduates from his

    infant-only car seat, select a convertible car

    seat with a minimum 30-pound rear-facing

    capacity. Make sure it fits securely in your car

    in both the rear- and forward-facing positions.

    Keep your child rear-facing until his weight

    reaches the car seat's maximum rear-facing

    capacity or until his head is within an inch of

    the top of the seat, whichever comes first.

    http://www.parentstages.com/article.asp?id=2413

    Rear-facing is the safest position the childcan ride in. All children should stay rearfacing

    beyond the minimum requirements of 1

    year and 20 lbs. They should not be turned

    forward-facing before they reach the maximum

    rear-facing limits of a convertible seat - either

    the maximum rear-facing weight limit or when

    the top of their head is within one inch of the

    top of the seat shell. While most parents are

    aware that they must keep their children rearfacing

    "until they are AT LEAST 1 year old

    AND 20 lbs", very few are told that there are

    significant safety benefits when a child remains

    rear-facing as long as the seat allows. For most

    children, rear-facing can and should continue

    well into the second year of life.

    The most common misconception parents have

    is that children are uncomfortable or at risk

    for leg injury by having their legs up on the

    vehicle seat back when kept rear-facing longer.

    This is completely incorrect. First, children are

    more flexible than adults so what we perceive

    as uncomfortable is not so much so for the

    children. Second, there are NO documented

    cases of children's legs breaking in a crash due

    to longer rear-facing. Even if there were, a cast

    can be put on the leg; with a severed spinal cord

    from FF too soon (of which there are

    documented cases) there is no way to repair

    the damage.

    Every milestone in a child's life is exciting!

    First steps, first word, first day of school.

    Even car seat milestones seem exciting, but the

    truth is, they should be looked at with a sense

    of dread, not longing. Every step in car seat

    "advancement" is actually reducing the

    protection your child receives.

    In a forward-facing seat, the neck is subjected

    to massive strain because the head pitches

    forward. A child's head is much larger in

    proportion to the body than that of an adult.

    The head of a small child is about 25 per cent

    of the body mass whereas the head of an adult

    is about six per cent! A small child's neck is

    subjected to much more strain than an adult’s

    neck when facing forward. Additionally, in a

    forward-facing seat, the head is thrown outside

    the confines of the seat and can make

    dangerous contact with other occupants,

    vehicle structures, and even intruding objects,

    like trees or other vehicles.

    In a rear-facing seat, the head, neck and spine

    stay correctly aligned and the child is allowed

    to ride down the crash while the back of the

    child restraint absorbs the brunt of the crash

    force. The head is contained within the

    restraint, and the child is much less likely to

    come into contact with anything that might

    cause head injury.

    The crash test photo below demonstrates the

    huge difference in force experienced when

    forward-facing (left) and rear-facing (right).

    Courtesy of University of Michigan

    Child Passenger Protection

    In Sweden, children are kept rear-facing up to

    the age of 5, or as much as 55 lbs. From 1992

    through June 1997, only 9 children properly

    restrained rear-facing have died in motor

    vehicle crashes in Sweden, and all of these

    involved catastrophic crashes with severe

    intrusion and few other survivors. Larger

    Swedish child restraints are designed to

    accommodate these larger children. UScertified

    restraints can be used rear-facing

    until the maximum weight limit is reached or

    until the top of the child's head is within one

    inch of the top of the seat, whichever comes

    first.

    Experts Say:

    The American Academy of Pediatrics:
    (AAP)

    recommends that babies be kept in rear-facing

    seats until they reach the maximum weight

    allowed, as long as the top of the head is below

    the top of the seat back. When your child is

    older than 1 year of age and has reached the

    highest weight or height allowed by the seat

    for use rear-facing, you may turn the seat

    forward-facing.

    http://www.aap.org/family/carseatguide.htm

    ParentCenter.com: Children have large

    heads and comparatively weak necks, so in a

    head-on collision (the most common type of

    crash) a child's head can jerk forward

    suddenly and violently, resulting in spinal

    injuries. For this reason, keep your child

    rear-facing position as long as possible.

    (Note: The 12-months-and-20-pounds rule

    that many parents cite when turning their

    child forward in the car is actually the

    minimum size and age requirement.)

    http://parentcenter.babycenter.com/refcap/bigkid/g

    safety/1384609.html

     

  • 11-19-2008 7:02 AM In reply to

    Re: ERF info *baby safety*

     Awesome Kalissa!  I did not know the benefits of ERF until I have Vivienne.  I wish I had known sooner.  I have a car seat OCD as well.  I even call the police when I see unrestrained babies or toddlers.  I'm glad you brought this up.  It is such important information to spread.Yes

     

  • 11-19-2008 7:05 AM In reply to

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    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     Awesome Kalissa!  I did not know the benefits of ERF until I have Vivienne.  I wish I had known sooner.  I have a car seat OCD as well.  I even call the police when I see unrestrained babies or toddlers.  I'm glad you brought this up.  It is such important information to spread.Yes

     

    Thanks, I agree.  I have as well.  I saw an infant carseat installed sideways the other day with the seatbelt wrapped around the handle, ok seriously, I hope no one has done that! I'm a mandatory reporter for childcare so I just use that as an excuse :-) I actually had to call the police on a daycare parent one day because her Mom was picking up with no carseat for a 2.5 year old.  I warned her that I couldn't stop her from leaving but I would call the police the minute she walked out the door, and I did.  So many people don't do it on purpose, they jsut don't realize it.  I"m so glad I know, and just wanted others to know too!

  • 11-19-2008 7:14 AM In reply to

    Re: ERF info *baby safety*

     I know!  I'm glad you called. Sometimes I think people don't realize they are raising little people not puppies.  It drives me nutty.  I had a conversation with a woman once who told me that when she was little they did not have carseats and she turned out just fine.  Can you believe that excuse, really?!!

     

  • 11-19-2008 7:22 AM In reply to

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    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     I know!  I'm glad you called. Sometimes I think people don't realize they are raising little people not puppies.  It drives me nutty.  I had a conversation with a woman once who told me that when she was little they did not have carseats and she turned out just fine.  Can you believe that excuse, really?!!

     

    see now with that response, I'm not sure she turned out all the fine lolBig Smile  Plus they didn't drive nearly as fast then! And if you CAN protect your child better, why would you not?  Oh I wonder sometimes! I have one parent I"m trying to convince in childcare, that her 2 year old (small little one too) shouldn't be in  a booster seat.  THe manual says AT LEAST 3 years old and 30 lbs, but I cna't make her do it (it's her child) since apparently the chances she will get stopped for it are slim and none (I called the police, they said they might check it only if they pulled her over for something else).  OK now I'm ranting, see totally carseat OCD!

  • 11-19-2008 7:26 AM In reply to

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  • 11-19-2008 7:31 AM In reply to

    • kellye_77
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    Re: ERF info *baby safety*

    Kalissa- think you'll enjoy this!

    You can't leave the hospital here if you don't have a carseat! well DUH!!! When we brought it up and told them we had used the FREE car seat safety check with  our state- the nurse just smiled so big and was like THANK GOD! we had ours installed- and it was 95%Correct- the Dep't of Transportation guy was impressed we had it in, and he showed us how to fix it. He also checked th emost recent list for recalls, to make sure the one we had wasn't being recalled. If it is- they take it and you have to get a new one! The Hospital also checks and they won't let you leave with baby, if it is!!! We asked if we can arrange a fitting with the next car seat too? They said yes- you can arrange a meeting as long as you have a carseat! They explain in great detail the importance of rear facing vs fwd facing. And actually encourage this for longer. I was very impressed with IDOT and the hospital. I recommended it to everyone expecting that i knew! Its FREE!!!! Our biggest issue is the governor right now- who is looking at moving this group out of our area, and we won't have them to do it! I believe that our local Fire Dep't and Police Dep't also do this, but they send you to the IDOT people first!

    Just thought you'd find it interesting!

  • 11-19-2008 7:39 AM In reply to

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    bragababyone:

    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     I know!  I'm glad you called. Sometimes I think people don't realize they are raising little people not puppies.  It drives me nutty.  I had a conversation with a woman once who told me that when she was little they did not have carseats and she turned out just fine.  Can you believe that excuse, really?!!

     

    see now with that response, I'm not sure she turned out all the fine lolBig Smile  Plus they didn't drive nearly as fast then! And if you CAN protect your child better, why would you not?  Oh I wonder sometimes! I have one parent I"m trying to convince in childcare, that her 2 year old (small little one too) shouldn't be in  a booster seat.  THe manual says AT LEAST 3 years old and 30 lbs, but I cna't make her do it (it's her child) since apparently the chances she will get stopped for it are slim and none (I called the police, they said they might check it only if they pulled her over for something else).  OK now I'm ranting, see totally carseat OCD!

    Ok now that makes my stomach turn.  My 8 year old who just turned 50 lbs is still in a a booster.  We are lucky though, here in Ks they just changed the law to 8 and 80lbs or 4 ft 9 inches.  I have a friend who was hit by a drunk driver and her 4year old was just buckled not in a carseat and she died.  If something like that happened to us I need to know I did everything I could to keep them safe!
  • 11-19-2008 7:43 AM In reply to

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    kellye_77:

    Kalissa- think you'll enjoy this!

    You can't leave the hospital here if you don't have a carseat! well DUH!!! When we brought it up and told them we had used the FREE car seat safety check with  our state- the nurse just smiled so big and was like THANK GOD! we had ours installed- and it was 95%Correct- the Dep't of Transportation guy was impressed we had it in, and he showed us how to fix it. He also checked th emost recent list for recalls, to make sure the one we had wasn't being recalled. If it is- they take it and you have to get a new one! The Hospital also checks and they won't let you leave with baby, if it is!!! We asked if we can arrange a fitting with the next car seat too? They said yes- you can arrange a meeting as long as you have a carseat! They explain in great detail the importance of rear facing vs fwd facing. And actually encourage this for longer. I was very impressed with IDOT and the hospital. I recommended it to everyone expecting that i knew! Its FREE!!!! Our biggest issue is the governor right now- who is looking at moving this group out of our area, and we won't have them to do it! I believe that our local Fire Dep't and Police Dep't also do this, but they send you to the IDOT people first!

    Just thought you'd find it interesting!

    That's so good to hear.  They did that for us at the hospital as well.  We had to bring it up to the room and strap him in before we could leave.  Then they went to our car with us and made sure we belted him in there.  We have the free checks here as well and I send my childcare parents there when I can.  I actually was thinking about getting certified, just have to find the time!  Hope this info helped also :-)

  • 11-19-2008 7:48 AM In reply to

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    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     

    bragababyone:

    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     I know!  I'm glad you called. Sometimes I think people don't realize they are raising little people not puppies.  It drives me nutty.  I had a conversation with a woman once who told me that when she was little they did not have carseats and she turned out just fine.  Can you believe that excuse, really?!!

     

    see now with that response, I'm not sure she turned out all the fine lolBig Smile  Plus they didn't drive nearly as fast then! And if you CAN protect your child better, why would you not?  Oh I wonder sometimes! I have one parent I"m trying to convince in childcare, that her 2 year old (small little one too) shouldn't be in  a booster seat.  THe manual says AT LEAST 3 years old and 30 lbs, but I cna't make her do it (it's her child) since apparently the chances she will get stopped for it are slim and none (I called the police, they said they might check it only if they pulled her over for something else).  OK now I'm ranting, see totally carseat OCD!

    Ok now that makes my stomach turn.  My 8 year old who just turned 50 lbs is still in a a booster.  We are lucky though, here in Ks they just changed the law to 8 and 80lbs or 4 ft 9 inches.  I have a friend how was hit by a drunk driver and her 4year old was just buckeled not in a carseat and she died.  If something like that happened to us I need to know I did everything I could to keep them safe!

    That's good she's still in a booster.  This Mom took the little one out of her 5 point carseat that she still fits in and put her in a booster because it's easier.  This little one either undoes the seatbelt constantly or pulls it away from her so it isn't in her way.  She's too little for a booster!  Ugh!!!  I"m so sorry to hear about your friends little one, it makes me sad when we have the ability to protect them and we don't.   I agree, I have to know I did more than I could to protect him.  I made my childcare parents sign a release if they wanted their kids turned around before age 3/35 lbs. saying they recognized it was dangerous and would not hold me responsible if they were riding with me. 

  • 11-19-2008 7:59 AM In reply to

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    don'tswiminthemainstream:
    I have a friend who was hit by a drunk driver and her 4year old was just buckled not in a carseat and she died. 
    Was the 4 yr old at least buckled up in a booster seat or JUST buckled up in the car????? I have a 4 year old and a 6 year old that are BOTH in boosters - If I can be safer in any way I would do it!! I have friends with 5-6 year old that dont WANT to be in boosters seats so the parents dont make them - THIS REALLY IRRITATES ME!!
  • 11-19-2008 8:10 AM In reply to

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    Roxann2693252:
    don'tswiminthemainstream:
    I have a friend who was hit by a drunk driver and her 4year old was just buckled not in a carseat and she died. 
    Was the 4 yr old at least buckled up in a booster seat or JUST buckled up in the car????? I have a 4 year old and a 6 year old that are BOTH in boosters - If I can be safer in any way I would do it!! I have friends with 5-6 year old that dont WANT to be in boosters seats so the parents dont make them - THIS REALLY IRRITATES ME!!

    In a booster.

  • 11-19-2008 12:26 PM In reply to

    Re: ERF info *baby safety*

    Bumping for anyone that wants to check it out...

  • 11-19-2008 1:46 PM In reply to

    Re: ERF info *baby safety*

    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     

    Roxann2693252:
    don'tswiminthemainstream:
    I have a friend who was hit by a drunk driver and her 4year old was just buckled not in a carseat and she died. 
    Was the 4 yr old at least buckled up in a booster seat or JUST buckled up in the car????? I have a 4 year old and a 6 year old that are BOTH in boosters - If I can be safer in any way I would do it!! I have friends with 5-6 year old that dont WANT to be in boosters seats so the parents dont make them - THIS REALLY IRRITATES ME!!

    In a booster.

    If the child was in a booster seat, then what exactly do you think the parent doing wrong?? The child was in a booster seat, totally appropriate for her age. The parent was doing all they could do to keep her safe. I am not sure I see the relevance here. Not being rude, just wondering what you think should of been done?
  • 11-19-2008 2:45 PM In reply to

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    Roxann2693252:
    don'tswiminthemainstream:

     

    Roxann2693252:
    don'tswiminthemainstream:
    I have a friend who was hit by a drunk driver and her 4year old was just buckled not in a carseat and she died. 
    Was the 4 yr old at least buckled up in a booster seat or JUST buckled up in the car????? I have a 4 year old and a 6 year old that are BOTH in boosters - If I can be safer in any way I would do it!! I have friends with 5-6 year old that dont WANT to be in boosters seats so the parents dont make them - THIS REALLY IRRITATES ME!!

    In a booster.

    If the child was in a booster seat, then what exactly do you think the parent doing wrong?? The child was in a booster seat, totally appropriate for her age. The parent was doing all they could do to keep her safe. I am not sure I see the relevance here. Not being rude, just wondering what you think should of been done?
     

     The relevance here is that she was a small 4 year old.  Most Britax 5 point harness carseats go at least to 40 lbs and some to 65 and even to 80lbs for the regent.  Just because a child turns a certain age does magically make the the right size to move up to a booster.  She flew out of the booster.  It was not enough protection, even the EMS said she was too small for the booster. the protection a 5 point harness makes it amazing.  I

     

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