High fructose corn syrup

• 12-01-2008 10:32 AM

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  ShadowLark Joined on 01-17-2006 sweet Kayla in heaven, praying for Sienna in Ohio Posts 2,960

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact morgan_melissa: Like I said, no appeasing.   How is 26 degrees fahrenheit Arctic conditions?  Seriously, Heather, did the temps warm up recently or what? And how old is the baby in Question?  Because last year, I kept my two month old inside in temps like that.  This year, we're going to go SLEDDING (She's 13 months NOW, by the time winter is full on, she'll be fine.  The kids have snow pants, warm coats, hats, mittens, boots and a car to go to after sledding.  I think they'll be able to handle it!) And yes, I will concede that if you don't know how to walk on ice, you shouldn't carry the baby while you learn.  But if the woman routinely walks 4 miles a day (or eight, since she'd also walk home, right?) then one week would have her better at ice walking than you are, Melissa!  It only takes me a day or two to remember, and I rarely actually FALL, I can usually catch myself before that. Heather, your ear issues might make you personally a special case.  I know with active infections, balance is often the first to go.  Not sure about now, but it would make sense, right?

• 12-01-2008 1:52 PM

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  Mrs Garcia Joined on 09-03-2007 The ax forgets; the tree remembers~African proverb Posts 238	Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact ShadowLark: morgan_melissa: Like I said, no appeasing.   How is 26 degrees fahrenheit Arctic conditions?  Seriously, Heather, did the temps warm up recently or what? Duh, it's global warming. LOL!

• 12-01-2008 2:57 PM

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  TanyaKat Joined on 05-19-2005 Portland, Oregon Posts 2,965

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact The news says that there is arctic conditions in Britain..... I've seen it on the international news broadcasts here. I can not find a current article claiming arctic conditions but this one is the 22 of November and that was only a week ago....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3506290/Motorists-warned-to-take-care-as-Arctic-conditions-bring-blanket-of-snow.html

• 12-01-2008 6:38 PM

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  morgan_melissa Joined on 12-22-2004 Resident Granola Posts 4,047	Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact 21 degrees and 2.3 inches of snow...that's a drop in the bucket. Certainly wouldn't keep me from walking while wearing my baby. Just sayin'.

• 12-02-2008 12:42 AM

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  heather249160 Joined on 10-21-2003 Northern Ireland (UK) Posts 4,577

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact ShadowLark: morgan_melissa: Like I said, no appeasing.   How is 26 degrees fahrenheit Arctic conditions?  Seriously, Heather, did the temps warm up recently or what? And how old is the baby in Question?  Because last year, I kept my two month old inside in temps like that.  This year, we're going to go SLEDDING (She's 13 months NOW, by the time winter is full on, she'll be fine.  The kids have snow pants, warm coats, hats, mittens, boots and a car to go to after sledding.  I think they'll be able to handle it!) And yes, I will concede that if you don't know how to walk on ice, you shouldn't carry the baby while you learn.  But if the woman routinely walks 4 miles a day (or eight, since she'd also walk home, right?) then one week would have her better at ice walking than you are, Melissa!  It only takes me a day or two to remember, and I rarely actually FALL, I can usually catch myself before that. Heather, your ear issues might make you personally a special case.  I know with active infections, balance is often the first to go.  Not sure about now, but it would make sense, right?     I didnt say arcctic conditions at all I said it was cold with driving rain and wind and hail, has been for over a fortnight now plus we had snow in oct. SO because YOU Think that this woman should sling she should do it she doesnt even own a sling the youngest child is under TWO the eldest is under 3 she iso walking with the eldest holding the stroller for balane. She cant even afford a warm coat for herself she is wearing a summer jacket, her shoes have holes in the soles, this woman is in POVERTY not just badly off she is below jthe poverty line.   I havent had an ear infection in a few weeks now either oh and john who cycles 14 miles a sday fell of his bike tnhis morning in ice guess he should know how to ride as well.

• 12-02-2008 12:48 AM

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  heather249160 Joined on 10-21-2003 Northern Ireland (UK) Posts 4,577

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact morgan_melissa: 21 degrees and 2.3 inches of snow...that's a drop in the bucket. Certainly wouldn't keep me from walking while wearing my baby. Just sayin'.     And i am assuming YOU have warm clothes scarves, gloves etc? This woman doesnt she is living in poverty which i have said several times. You are NOT in poverty at all. This woman has forced deprivation she has one bed and thats in the living room as she can only afford to heat one room, she is living on LESS than $2 a day after paying her utilities (no phone no cell)> I actually printed this out and she laughed her leg off. SHe wants me to ask you how can she afford a sling? Answers on a postcard please

• 12-02-2008 2:44 AM

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  TanyaKat Joined on 05-19-2005 Portland, Oregon Posts 2,965

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact In the last few years (i've not been on PW for nearly a year now, lurking occasionally and posting rarely BUT....) I've found myself disagreeing with heather for the most part (points of view not nessacarily posting but internally) in this case though,.... are some of you serious or just debating the other side for the heck of it? Granted Britain isnt a third world country but poverty and I mean actual poverty not the 'I only get 300 bucks in food stamps every month' type poverty but the 'I'm broke and licking rocks and feeding my kids stale bread' type poverty is very real in some parts of the developed world...I actually find it disturbing that some of you think that this is something that this woman can just work harder to get over or work through it ..open your eyes people but stuff like this happens here in America too....people working their butts off earning only enough money to pay rent and utilities, no money for tranportation and no money to buy 'healthy food'. Fact of the matter is when your living paycheck to pay check you can not afford to buy bulk, when you've only got $20 to spend on food every two weeks buying a bulk supply of potatoes and broccoli isnt going to cut it unless thats all you plan on eating ! For $20 I can go out tonight buy 5 lbs of potatoes 5 lbs of broccoli and 5 lbs of beef.it'll cost me $20 bucks, healthy yeah for the most part but is it really going to last me the 2 weeks I need it to last? With 2 adults and 2 kids? likely not!....5 for $1.00 boxes of mac and cheese, 20 for $1.50 packages of top ramen, 2 for @$1.20 cans of spagehetti sauce and noodles, 10lbs bags of chicken nuggets for $8.00, frozen pizzas for 75 cents a piece, etc....that stuff is going to last a lot longer....and honestly if I'm working my butt off to support my family I'd rather make something quick so I can actually spend quality time with my kids that they NEED.... then spend it in the kitchen stewing up someting 'healthy' , its been proven time and time again that absent parents lead to disfuctional children and that even 15 minutes of quality time a day can make a difference in the outcome of a child. Kids that eat 'unhealthy' ( and I use that term relatively speaking) because their parents can't afford any better BUT have parents that spend some time playing games, talking, having fun, QUALITY TIME with their children ~OR~ kids that eat 'healthy' and spend no or very little quality time with parents because parents are working butts off and then spend all the time in the kitchen making healthy food?....your choice...... but live somewhere first where you see the outcome, I'll take a kid thats been eating mac and cheese and has had the opportunity to feel the love of a parent that plays chutes and ladders with them everyday over a kid that has been eating chicken cordon bleu and doesnt know what its like to have quality time with a parent......thats goes for both the poverty stricken and the well to do....sometimes people gotta realize the kids come first...money or no money...to me it sounds like this woman gets that and thats more important then whether or not the kids gets an apple or a pop tart.

• 12-02-2008 10:38 AM

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  Mrs Garcia Joined on 09-03-2007 The ax forgets; the tree remembers~African proverb Posts 238

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact TanyaKat: In the last few years (i've not been on PW for nearly a year now, lurking occasionally and posting rarely BUT....) I've found myself disagreeing with heather for the most part (points of view not nessacarily posting but internally) in this case though,.... are some of you serious or just debating the other side for the heck of it? Granted Britain isnt a third world country but poverty and I mean actual poverty not the 'I only get 300 bucks in food stamps every month' type poverty but the 'I'm broke and licking rocks and feeding my kids stale bread' type poverty is very real in some parts of the developed world...I actually find it disturbing that some of you think that this is something that this woman can just work harder to get over or work through it ..open your eyes people but stuff like this happens here in America too....people working their butts off earning only enough money to pay rent and utilities, no money for tranportation and no money to buy 'healthy food'. Fact of the matter is when your living paycheck to pay check you can not afford to buy bulk, when you've only got $20 to spend on food every two weeks buying a bulk supply of potatoes and broccoli isnt going to cut it unless thats all you plan on eating ! For $20 I can go out tonight buy 5 lbs of potatoes 5 lbs of broccoli and 5 lbs of beef.it'll cost me $20 bucks, healthy yeah for the most part but is it really going to last me the 2 weeks I need it to last? With 2 adults and 2 kids? likely not!....5 for $1.00 boxes of mac and cheese, 20 for $1.50 packages of top ramen, 2 for @$1.20 cans of spagehetti sauce and noodles, 10lbs bags of chicken nuggets for $8.00, frozen pizzas for 75 cents a piece, etc....that stuff is going to last a lot longer....and honestly if I'm working my butt off to support my family I'd rather make something quick so I can actually spend quality time with my kids that they NEED.... then spend it in the kitchen stewing up someting 'healthy' , its been proven time and time again that absent parents lead to disfuctional children and that even 15 minutes of quality time a day can make a difference in the outcome of a child. Kids that eat 'unhealthy' ( and I use that term relatively speaking) because their parents can't afford any better BUT have parents that spend some time playing games, talking, having fun, QUALITY TIME with their children ~OR~ kids that eat 'healthy' and spend no or very little quality time with parents because parents are working butts off and then spend all the time in the kitchen making healthy food?....your choice...... but live somewhere first where you see the outcome, I'll take a kid thats been eating mac and cheese and has had the opportunity to feel the love of a parent that plays chutes and ladders with them everyday over a kid that has been eating chicken cordon bleu and doesnt know what its like to have quality time with a parent......thats goes for both the poverty stricken and the well to do....sometimes people gotta realize the kids come first...money or no money...to me it sounds like this woman gets that and thats more important then whether or not the kids gets an apple or a pop tart. I understand some of what you're saying, but I think you're missing something. You can have it both ways when it comes to cooking/grocery shopping and spending quality time with your kids. I have my 3-year-old in the kitchen with me a lot. (Safely, of course). She helped me make some banana bread just the other night by mashing up the bananas and "helping" me measure the ingredients. I'm fortunate enough that my husband watches her while I do the grocery shopping, but when she does come along with me, we make a game of it. "Help me find the peanut butter" or "help me count the apples." I'm not going to be fooled into thinking that I need to take my kids to the mall or the movies to bond with them. It's the everyday activities and the teachable moments that will make the biggest impact.

• 12-02-2008 10:53 AM

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  morgan_melissa Joined on 12-22-2004 Resident Granola Posts 4,047

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact Um...some of YOU aren't getting it, either. A one pound bag of dried lentils serves up 5 meals for my family of 5 at the tune of less than a dollar...FOR FIVE MEALS. It also yields more protein than any 5 beef-based meals at a fraction of the cost. Rice, too, is along those same lines. And...TEN POUNDS of carrots for $5 is too expensive with a $20 food budget? You know how many meals and snacks that offers up? There ARE options out there...you just have to explore them. Sure, there's not much opportunity for a varied diet buying that way, but if you're eating mac n cheese and hot dogs every night because that's all you can afford...it's the same or LESS money to eat what I reference above. So...call me "not getting it" if you want, but I call just the same on you. There ARE healthy options...if you seek them out. Or, are you going to tell me that lentils aren't available in the UK now, too?

• 12-02-2008 11:46 PM

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  heather249160 Joined on 10-21-2003 Northern Ireland (UK) Posts 4,577

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact  In Britain right now there are 2.9 MILLION kids in poverty this is defined as Individuals, families and groups in the population can be said to be in poverty when they lack the resources to obtain the types of DIET, participate in the activities and have the living conditions and amenities which are customary, or at least widely encourged and approved in the societies in which they live. (Townsend)   Mrs Garcia when your twins come home I recommend one day you get up at 5am walk 4 miles with the three kids, go in do a 14 hour day, come home by bus pick up kids at 10pm,. put them on bus, go food shopping and bring food home on bus dont spend more than $20 on a weeks shop, come home bring your three year old into the kitchen cook a healthy meal, put the kids to bed, make a menu plan go to bed, then get up at 5am again! THEN say oh its soooo easy......................... Effetcs of poverty Health - Babies born to mothers in poverty are more likely to be low birthweight             5yrs old sin poverty tend to be on average 2.5cm SHORTER than national average            more likely to self harm          more likely to commit sucide as a CHILD            5 times more likely to be on the at risk register            more likely to have serious tooth decay (in fact cavities are a NOBLE principle)   Educational outcomes - more likely to traunt or miss school through not having the right equipment/resources                                    66% more likely to leave with no qualifications Long Term -  Morelikely to become adults in poverty (and long term spells in poverty are more serious than short spells)                    More likely to have low paid jobs                    More likely to have depression and commit suicide                    More likely to have drug/alcohol problems                   More likely to commit crime. (Giddens sociology 2008:, Child poverty action group website)   Health outcomes are NOT just from having a bad diet

• 12-03-2008 11:04 PM

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  Mrs Garcia Joined on 09-03-2007 The ax forgets; the tree remembers~African proverb Posts 238

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact I don't live in the city and I don't have access to bus service. It's easier to get fresh, healthy food here than it is to buy junk, so that wouldn't even be an option. ;) And I certainly wouldn't waste all that time and effort just to come home with crap for food. If I'm going to put in the effort, then I would just go all the way and buy healthy foods. Again, chronic poverty is a state of mind and I have chosen not to live that way. Perhaps your friend should move out into the country? It's easy to live a self-sustainable lifestyle. In fact, I grow quite a bit of our produce. You'll probably find some lame excuse as to why you "can't" grow your own food, but it's just more lipservice, IMO. Where there's a will, there's a way. Period.

• 12-03-2008 11:27 PM

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  heather249160 Joined on 10-21-2003 Northern Ireland (UK) Posts 4,577

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact  There is no social housing in the country, how would she get to work? I must tell all those kids in poverty its just a state of mind.   Sh elives in a housing estate and has no garden in fact she lives in high rise flats built in the 1960s (over 1000 people in one block)   I really hope one day you dont live in poverty absolute and relative poverty are very very real to many people

• 12-03-2008 11:58 PM

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  morgan_melissa Joined on 12-22-2004 Resident Granola Posts 4,047

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact When Carl was on the Grand Canyon, they kept running into this single kayaker who packed all that he needed for 28 days onto his tiny little kayak. He ate dried legumes and couscous with dehydrated vegetables that he reconstituted in his one little pan over a tiny little pack-light cookstove. So...again, I pose the notion...lentils or mac n cheese...lentils or mac n cheese. Hmmm....

• 12-04-2008 12:35 AM

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  TanyaKat Joined on 05-19-2005 Portland, Oregon Posts 2,965

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact I'm going to sleep better tonight knowing that the droughts and floods in africa don't really happen, that the warlords in africa arent real, that the child sex industry in southern asia and eastern europe is non-exsistant, the drug cartels in south america don't really grow and sell dope, the starving kids in war torn parts of the world arent really hungry.....if chronic poverty is a state of mind then those people that are chronically poor because of the conditions they are forced to live in or with must only be a state of mind as well..... why would I choose a box of mac and cheese over lentils if I was poor?....because fuel to boil water costs money as well as the food itself. Mac and cheese takes 8 minutes, it can take anywhere from 10 mintues to 1 hour to cooks lentils, granted lentils are way healthier no ones arguing that but cooking in and of itself costs money... http://homecooking.about.com/od/howtocookvegetables/a/lentiltips.htm ( I dont eat lentils, but here are some great tips on how to)

• 12-04-2008 1:17 AM

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  morgan_melissa Joined on 12-22-2004 Resident Granola Posts 4,047

  Re: High fructose corn syrup Reply Contact How much cooking fuel do you suppose can be packed on a kayak, along with fresh water, groover (outdoor toilet...packing out what you pack in), etc. It does NOT take much more energy to cook lentils, some rice varieties, etc. In fact, cooking couscous uses RIDICULOUSLY low amounts of energy, even compared to mac n cheese. Boil the water first, like mac n cheese, only instead of continuing to boil after adding it to the water, you simply remove it from heat and let it SIT (no energy) for 5 minutes. Bulgur is another high protein food that cooks with minimal energy (or NO energy...you can just soak it, depending on what you're doing with it). Grains like these are usually comparatively inexpensive. Also, in the absence of fresh fruit and veggies, dried foods are also viable options and some are available relatively inexpensive...dates, raisins, figs, even coconut. Dried vegetables don't even require cooking...just eat them as a snack. In most cases, dehydrated or freeze-dried produce is less expensive than canned and comparable to frozen, and if they aren't available locally, they can be ordered, which might be a suitable solution if getting to the market is challenging. Like I've said...if it's important and there's a will, there's a way. If it's a matter of survival because of economic conditions, then you need survival foods, foods that can nourish your body and provide energy to go about doing what needs doing. All of these options I've listed above ARE, indeed, viable alternatives to inexpensive crap.